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	<title>Comments on: Of B-slaps and slobs</title>
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		<title>By: Bob Rennick</title>
		<link>http://gazettenewsroom.freedomblogging.com/2008/02/05/of-b-slaps-and-slobs/134/#comment-848</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Rennick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 21:54:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've been reading this discussion with some interest.  I keep rooting for The Gazette editorials and articles to be interesting, informative, enlightening, and thought-provoking for the topic raised, in order to justify the effort I expend reading them.  What often happens to me is that I get distracted by a word, phrase or comment that seems gratuitously pejorative and tangential to the topic.  "Slob" had that effect.  Also, in today's (or was it yesterday's?) editorial, "deadbeat" had that effect.  

Perhaps the intent was only  to suggest that lenders find themselves having to show forbearance to some borrowers who lack the motivation to meet their obligations, but it seemed to tar with the same brush  all borrowers who find themselves unable to keep up with payments for any reason.  I have seen the claim in many pieces  about the home mortgage situation that the majority of defaulters have suffered either a major medical event or a job loss that drastically changed their ability to pay, rather than a preponderance of people just not caring about the repayment.  

Here are the dictionary definitions of "deadbeat" that I found:

A non-payer who doesn't bother to say why.
One who does not pay one's debts.
A lazy person; a loafer.
One who persistently fails to pay personal debts or expenses 

The frequent use of "deadbeat" in the phrase "deadbeat dads" has had the effect of burning the worst connatations of the word into everyone's brain.

I agree that words matter, and should be chosen with care. I also think that a writer can use a word intentionally in a way that detracts and distracts from his main message.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been reading this discussion with some interest.  I keep rooting for The Gazette editorials and articles to be interesting, informative, enlightening, and thought-provoking for the topic raised, in order to justify the effort I expend reading them.  What often happens to me is that I get distracted by a word, phrase or comment that seems gratuitously pejorative and tangential to the topic.  &#8220;Slob&#8221; had that effect.  Also, in today&#8217;s (or was it yesterday&#8217;s?) editorial, &#8220;deadbeat&#8221; had that effect.  </p>
<p>Perhaps the intent was only  to suggest that lenders find themselves having to show forbearance to some borrowers who lack the motivation to meet their obligations, but it seemed to tar with the same brush  all borrowers who find themselves unable to keep up with payments for any reason.  I have seen the claim in many pieces  about the home mortgage situation that the majority of defaulters have suffered either a major medical event or a job loss that drastically changed their ability to pay, rather than a preponderance of people just not caring about the repayment.  </p>
<p>Here are the dictionary definitions of &#8220;deadbeat&#8221; that I found:</p>
<p>A non-payer who doesn&#8217;t bother to say why.<br />
One who does not pay one&#8217;s debts.<br />
A lazy person; a loafer.<br />
One who persistently fails to pay personal debts or expenses </p>
<p>The frequent use of &#8220;deadbeat&#8221; in the phrase &#8220;deadbeat dads&#8221; has had the effect of burning the worst connatations of the word into everyone&#8217;s brain.</p>
<p>I agree that words matter, and should be chosen with care. I also think that a writer can use a word intentionally in a way that detracts and distracts from his main message.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 18:50:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joseph,  you're absolutely right that when it comes to hypocrisy, there are ample examples on which to draw that don't require dragging coarse language into the newspaper. We do need a little latitude; this isn't the common room at All Souls. But if there are handy alternatives, we ought to make use of them over others that might offend some readers' sensibilities.

And of course we're all aware of the definition of slob and that it is a denigrating term. But there is a difference between writing "Jeff is a slob" and "some people are slobs." The editorial did the latter, and if it's denigrating, it's also true: Some people are, in fact, slobs. More to the point of the editorial, it is the slobs of the world -- the people who willfully neglect and worsen their own health (and there are such people) -- who stand in contrast, from a risk-pool perspective, to the people who take measures to prevent having to seek health care. The editorial was examining what it considered to be potential inequities  in an insurance system that would charge both groups equally. Could we have avoided the word? Of course. Did we need to? I don't think so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joseph,  you&#8217;re absolutely right that when it comes to hypocrisy, there are ample examples on which to draw that don&#8217;t require dragging coarse language into the newspaper. We do need a little latitude; this isn&#8217;t the common room at All Souls. But if there are handy alternatives, we ought to make use of them over others that might offend some readers&#8217; sensibilities.</p>
<p>And of course we&#8217;re all aware of the definition of slob and that it is a denigrating term. But there is a difference between writing &#8220;Jeff is a slob&#8221; and &#8220;some people are slobs.&#8221; The editorial did the latter, and if it&#8217;s denigrating, it&#8217;s also true: Some people are, in fact, slobs. More to the point of the editorial, it is the slobs of the world &#8212; the people who willfully neglect and worsen their own health (and there are such people) &#8212; who stand in contrast, from a risk-pool perspective, to the people who take measures to prevent having to seek health care. The editorial was examining what it considered to be potential inequities  in an insurance system that would charge both groups equally. Could we have avoided the word? Of course. Did we need to? I don&#8217;t think so.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Roy</title>
		<link>http://gazettenewsroom.freedomblogging.com/2008/02/05/of-b-slaps-and-slobs/134/#comment-808</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph Roy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 19:34:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff, say what you will, as in “It doesn’t even make the claim that being a slob is necessarily a bad thing,” you are surely aware that the definition of the noun  slob - “A person regarded as slovenly, crude, or obnoxious” does not imply a good thing, no matter what spin one may wish to use to defend the Opinion writer.

As to the B-slapping thing, the conservative radio utterer, his Gazette defender and the liberal critics that used the phrase did not display a level a maturity and sophistication one would expect in a civil and public dialog. At the bottom line, what benefit can the public derive from such an Opinion column? If hypocrisy is the issue, there are ample examples that can be derived from the conservative/liberal behaviors that do not necessitate bringing terms such as B-slapping into our homes to expose that same.
In any event, I thank you for your attempts to clarify these matters and fervently hope that future Opinion columns will reflect the same journalistic, literacy excellence and civility that is displayed in the reporting side of the Gazette.

Best regards,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, say what you will, as in “It doesn’t even make the claim that being a slob is necessarily a bad thing,” you are surely aware that the definition of the noun  slob - “A person regarded as slovenly, crude, or obnoxious” does not imply a good thing, no matter what spin one may wish to use to defend the Opinion writer.</p>
<p>As to the B-slapping thing, the conservative radio utterer, his Gazette defender and the liberal critics that used the phrase did not display a level a maturity and sophistication one would expect in a civil and public dialog. At the bottom line, what benefit can the public derive from such an Opinion column? If hypocrisy is the issue, there are ample examples that can be derived from the conservative/liberal behaviors that do not necessitate bringing terms such as B-slapping into our homes to expose that same.<br />
In any event, I thank you for your attempts to clarify these matters and fervently hope that future Opinion columns will reflect the same journalistic, literacy excellence and civility that is displayed in the reporting side of the Gazette.</p>
<p>Best regards,</p>
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